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   Re: [xml-dev] Redefining the meaning of common nouns

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On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 13:56, Rick Jelliffe wrote:
> From: "Eric van der Vlist" <vdv@dyomedea.com>
> > If we use "web service" for "service available on the web which provides
> > some metadata that allows you to find or use it", how do we call a
> > "service available on the web which doesn't provide any metadata that
> > allows you to find or use it" ?
> If a resource does not have any discovery or metadata support
> it is just a resource and does not need any special term.

But we may want to dissociate resources which provide a service and
other resources.
> A couple of days ago I commented that not every web service
> is a (W3C) Web Service. But I think to say that every URL is
> a web services gets rid of a useful new term, and just means
> we would need to think of a new one. (Probably an acronym
> begining with X or W, bless each and every one of us.) 

I had missed it, sorry...

> Terms evolve, and I don't recall "web services" has ever had
> a common meaning before. If anyone used "a web service"
> before, they are being overly germanic in any case, and would
> be well-advised to say "a service on the web" IMHO, just
> to prevent the spread of ugly lengthy noun phrases.

Hmmm... this must be because I am not a native speaker and have been
confused by translations back and forward between English and French but
we do have the problem in French where "Web service" is translated into
"service Web", a term which was used before to refer to any service on
the web (a webmail system is often refered as a "service web" for

Now, lingusitic aspects aside, the definition from the W3C seems to
indicate that:

1) A SOAP service which isn't described using a XML vocabulary isn't a
"web service".

2) A REST service described with let's say RDF is a "web service".

This would be quite surprising for most, I think.

See you in Baltimore.
Eric van der Vlist       http://xmlfr.org            http://dyomedea.com
(W3C) XML Schema ISBN:0-596-00252-1 http://oreilly.com/catalog/xmlschema


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