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   RE: [xml-dev] SML (was Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services)

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  • To: "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com>,<xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
  • Subject: RE: [xml-dev] SML (was Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services)
  • From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@microsoft.com>
  • Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:59:58 -0800
  • Thread-index: AcLK2hnDEfH26RhDRqehxIk5cWbSbQAAdvCb
  • Thread-topic: [xml-dev] SML (was Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services)

Simon, the markup folks are already outnumbered by the folks who are simply using XML as a general purpose mechanism for exchanging or representing structured data (i.e. people who'd be happy with S-expressions). Developers and content creators that use XML for things like RSS feeds, config files, an exportation format for databases, wire communication language, etc are not using XML as markup and outnumber those who do. 
The only difference is now some of those people have decided to influence the directin and future of XML & it's attendant technologies instead of just using it for what they want and ignoring  the dream of "SGML on the Web". 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@simonstl.com] 
	Sent: Sun 2/2/2003 8:42 AM 
	To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org 
	Subject: Re: [xml-dev] SML (was Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services) 

	uche.ogbuji@fourthought.com (Uche Ogbuji) writes:
	>I do not dispute that WS folks and SML folks and the Water/ConciseXML
	>have all found legitimate problems with XML for their purposes.  My
	>point is that they are so outweighed by those who have found XML quite
	>usable (if inevitably imperfect) for their own purposes.
	I worry about this argument, in large part because I see the number of
	people working with Web Services outgrowing the number of people who
	care about markup.  I'm not sure that "outweighed" is a safe point to
	argue from over the long term.  The cost of changes to XML 1.0 might be
	a better place,  but even that cost/benefit seems likely to turn.
	I've long hoped that the WS people would fork away from XML and leave
	markup folks to do their own cleanup without the pressure of the WS
	folks around.  I can't see that happening at the moment, and continue to
	worry that the weight will shift.
	I'm aware that you're not fond of worrying, of course.
	Simon St.Laurent
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