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Rex Brooks wrote:
> As a voice from inside WSRP, not only is the parrot decidedly not
> dead, it's been a very busy little bird, hatching out a bevy of baby
> birdies. You have the problem right, tho, there are too many of those
> little birdies, and that makes for an awful lot of droppings, but a
> shakeout is inevitable.
> Also many several of those wannabe standards happen to work with and
> complement each other. WSS which just passed its vote to become a
> standard, 

Actually it did not - there was one negative comment from an OASIS
member, which means that the TC has 30 days to decide its approach per
the OASIS process. *One* possible outcome is that the spec becomes an
OASIS standard.

Kind Regards,
Joe Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World

> is one of those which is meant to work with the others, but
> it does have one no vote that has to now be addressed, but it is one
> of the few of those listed besides WSRP that actually HAS done passed
> that hurdle.So while it may be too easy to start a TC, it certainly
> is anything but easy to get a draft passed as a standard. And that's
> after the internal battles, and every one I have participated in (3),
> has had its share and then some of those battles...
> That approval process for OASIS happens to require both an IPR test
> and the test of having three OASIS member companies at least (and
> usually it is six or more) publicly vouch that they have used it
> successfully.  Most of those haven't finished the initial work-up and
> approval of requirements, let alone had several iteration drafts
> tested and tweaked, and are nothing more than trial balloons, which
> will, hopefully, drift away in the wind. Undoubtedly some potentially
> valuable ones will drift away and some quite horrible ones won't, but
> that's the way the word. BTW a standard is not a standard unless it
> gets used.
> Most of the OASIS WS do not actually compete, and  I expect some to
> be combined, as WSRP ended up combining two predecessors into one TC
> and standard. It took 18 months to get to the point where the first
> draft could be put up for a public review. So there is a lot of real
> work that goes into it.
> Don't be too quick to throw out the bathwater. One of the babies in
> there might be worth keeping.
> It's tedious, I know. And I can think of bunches of things I would
> much rather do, but the alternatives tend to be even less desireable.
> Ciao,
> Rex
> At 3:33 PM -0500 4/2/04, David Megginson wrote:
> >Jim Rankin wrote:
> >
> >>     Would anyone here like to argue that the list found in
> >>
> >>     http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/04/01/WS-Mumble
> >>
> >>     is coherent, or sensible, or viable, or generally that the parrot is
> >>     not dead?
> >>
> >>I wish that we could just look at the "Updated:" date on your post
> >>and categorize this with some of the other things posted
> >>yesterday...
> >
> >I wish I'd read those other things, but I did go and look at Tim's
> >blog. Ouch.  It's bizarre seeing all of those WS-* specs out there,
> >when we haven't even had a chance to gain much real experience using
> >SOAP at the basic RPC level.  The WS-Parrot is not dead per se: it
> >was never given a chance to hatch.
> >
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >
> >David
> >
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Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton


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