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Title: Re: [xml-dev] WS-Emperor
naked?
Actually, I did mention that it had received a no vote that had
to be addressed, in the same sentence, (italicized) "... WSS
which just passed its vote to become a standard, is one of those which
is meant to work with the others, but it does have one no vote that
has to now be addressed, but it is one of the few of those
listed besides WSRP that actually HAS done passed that hurdle.
...
However, you are correct, I did not say that passing its vote did
not necessarily mean it would become a standard, just that the no vote
had to be addressed.
Ciao,
Rex
At 1:20 PM -0400 4/4/04, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
Rex Brooks wrote:
>
> As a voice from inside WSRP, not only is the parrot decidedly
not
> dead, it's been a very busy little bird, hatching out a bevy of
baby
> birdies. You have the problem right, tho, there are too many of
those
> little birdies, and that makes for an awful lot of droppings, but
a
> shakeout is inevitable.
>
> Also many several of those wannabe standards happen to work with
and
> complement each other. WSS which just passed its vote to become
a
> standard,
Actually it did not - there was one negative comment from an OASIS
member, which means that the TC has 30 days to decide its approach
per
the OASIS process. *One* possible outcome is that the spec becomes
an
OASIS standard.
Kind Regards,
Joe Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> is one of those which is meant to work with the others, but
> it does have one no vote that has to now be addressed, but it is
one
> of the few of those listed besides WSRP that actually HAS done
passed
> that hurdle.So while it may be too easy to start a TC, it
certainly
> is anything but easy to get a draft passed as a standard. And
that's
> after the internal battles, and every one I have participated in
(3),
> has had its share and then some of those battles...
>
> That approval process for OASIS happens to require both an IPR
test
> and the test of having three OASIS member companies at least
(and
> usually it is six or more) publicly vouch that they have used
it
> successfully. Most of those haven't finished the initial
work-up and
> approval of requirements, let alone had several iteration
drafts
> tested and tweaked, and are nothing more than trial balloons,
which
> will, hopefully, drift away in the wind. Undoubtedly some
potentially
> valuable ones will drift away and some quite horrible ones won't,
but
> that's the way the word. BTW a standard is not a standard unless
it
> gets used.
>
> Most of the OASIS WS do not actually compete, and I expect
some to
> be combined, as WSRP ended up combining two predecessors into one
TC
> and standard. It took 18 months to get to the point where the
first
> draft could be put up for a public review. So there is a lot of
real
> work that goes into it.
>
> Don't be too quick to throw out the bathwater. One of the babies
in
> there might be worth keeping.
>
> It's tedious, I know. And I can think of bunches of things I
would
> much rather do, but the alternatives tend to be even less
desireable.
>
> Ciao,
> Rex
>
> At 3:33 PM -0500 4/2/04, David Megginson wrote:
> >Jim Rankin wrote:
> >
> >> Would anyone here like to argue
that the list found in
> >>
> >>
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/04/01/WS-Mumble
> >>
> >> is coherent, or sensible, or
viable, or generally that the parrot is
> >> not dead?
> >>
> >>I wish that we could just look at the "Updated:"
date on your post
> >>and categorize this with some of the other things
posted
> >>yesterday...
> >
> >I wish I'd read those other things, but I did go and look at
Tim's
> >blog. Ouch. It's bizarre seeing all of those WS-* specs
out there,
> >when we haven't even had a chance to gain much real
experience using
> >SOAP at the basic RPC level. The WS-Parrot is not dead
per se: it
> >was never given a chance to
hatch.
> >
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >
> >David
> >
>
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