RE: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup data" or "wr

["Mark Shellenberger" <mshellenberger@gmail.com>]

> Just thought of something that might hopefully clarify. Is this a tag?
>
> <br/>

You got chocolate in my peanut butter!  You got peanut butter in my
chocolate!
It's a tag and an element.

> So you are suggesting that "to tag" has now become a causality of  
> Web 2.0?
> Wonderful.
>
> I really don't understand the jump you are taking

Ugh, darn automatic spell checker...I meant to say casualty.


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Koberg [mailto:rob@koberg.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:15 PM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup data" or
"wrap data in tags"?

Just thought of something that might hopefully clarify. Is this a tag?

<br/>

-Rob



On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Robert Koberg wrote:

>
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote:
>
>> So you are suggesting that "to tag" has now become a causality of  
>> Web 2.0?
>> Wonderful.
>
> I really don't understand the jump you are taking
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Koberg [mailto:rob@koberg.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:35 PM
>> To: Mark Shellenberger
>> Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
>> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup  
>> data" or
>> "wrap data in tags"?
>>
>> This sounds right to me:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata)
>>
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that 'tagging' stuff seems a bit vulgar but it also gets
>>> across the
>>> message to those that need said message.  I make a point of showing
>>> the
>>> difference between element and tag in conversation regarding XML
>>> because
>>> those two terms have specific different meanings.
>>>
>>> But how are 'to markup' or 'to tag' (in the sense of XML/HTML)
>>> different?
>>> Or is it just a sensibility thing?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Deborah Aleyne Lapeyre [mailto:dalapeyre@mulberrytech.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:38 PM
>>> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
>>> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup
>>> data" or
>>> "wrap data in tags"?
>>>
>>> "Preferred" is such a slippery word. In my teaching experience
>>> (no preference implied):
>>>
>>>> 1. I marked up the data.  - is the way the professionals in
>>> this industry would say it. It sounds fine to most of us, but also
>>> confuses many novices, even copyeditors.
>>>
>>>> 2, 3, and 4 are OK, but nobody talks like this in real life IMO
>>>
>>>> 5, 6, 7 have never been heard by me in the real world. I also
>>> don't like them much (maybe I do have a preference after all)
>>>
>>> The great unwashed (i.e. professionals in some other business
>>> than this Markup stuff) would, I think, mostly agree with Mark,
>>> they "tag" their data.
>>>
>>> Overlap geeks have been heard to call it
>>> "applying inline markup"
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> Yes, Steve, I agree that "to mark up" is a verb, but
>>> even "markup" the noun has problems.
>>>
>>> When Balisage wanted a subtitle to tell people what the
>>> conference was actually about, we chose
>>> "Balisage:The Markup Conference".
>>> Sounded good to us, because we wanted to express that it was more
>>> than "Balisage: The XML Conference" since it was perfectly
>>> fine to talk about microformats, SGML, non-XML-based mashups
>>> and clouds, out-of-line-markup, LMNL, etc. But it left a lot of
>>> people wondering what the conference WAS about, and we have had
>>> some very odd email reactions and a bunch of business types
>>> who do not view the UBL and other tag-related things that
>>> they do as "markup". Markup is for text, not data is some eyes.
>>> Odd old world.
>>>
>>> --dal
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