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   Re: [xml-dev] W3C Schema: Resistance is Futile, says Don Box

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On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:34:22PM -0400, Simon St.Laurent wrote:
> At 12:26 PM 6/10/2002 -0600, Aaron Skonnard wrote:
> >Agreed. HTTP and HTML were not trivial to implement. Major vendors
> >embraced them and made it happen. Before the public had easy-to-use
> >browsers, they had no idea what resources were available to them. I
> >don't remember many successful ad-hoc browser implementations.
> Wow.  Do we live on different planets?

  Seems so and this time we agree (worth being noted !)

> HTTP 0.9 _was_ trivial to implement, and the early HTML work wasn't exactly 
> rocket science. There was a really diverse set of browser choices in the 
> mid-90s before the big vendors went to war and ensured that no one else 
> could afford to compete in the field.

  Yes, their "improvements" at the time were nothing less than a 
"feature" contest, blink and the plugin API being among the most 
perverse ones. All this just ended up into reverse engineering games
slowing down the development and building factions on what was 
supposed to be informations shared by all.

> I have a hard time seeing the rise of the vendor-dominated Web as 
> inevitable, which makes me pretty much giggle at this:

  I think the main industry boost on the web development was actually
at the infrastructure level, connectivity, development and deployment
of ADSL and cable transport, nationwide and international connectivity,
that part needed the industry backing and to a large extent succeeded.

> >I completely agree. It was the *vendors* that made it happen. And it's
> >the vendors that will make it happen with Web services. The W3C and WS-I
> >are trying to steer but maybe we're not all on the same ship.
> Not that vendors didn't have a role, but I hardly think it's reasonable to 
> argue that vendors made it happen or that their role was necessarily positive.

  Well HTML-4.0 and DOM were the 2 areas where everybody hoped things
would stabilize, vendors were certainly key players in getting those
out, but they didn't really reach all the hopes put in them, being 
a Linux only user there is still a large fraction of the Web I just 
can't use . Maybe with the deployment of Mozilla-1.0 code will websites
get tested with more than the dominant browser, sigh...

> Simon St.Laurent
> "Every day in every way I'm getting better and better." - Emile Coue

  "I'm happy in a vendor dominated Web"
  "I'm happy in a vendor dominated Web"
  "I'm happy in a vendor dominated Web"
  No ... definitely this won't work :-\


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