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/ John Cowan <jcowan@reutershealth.com> was heard to say:
| Norman Walsh scripsit:
|
|> What if the GET drops a can of coke on your desk?
|
| Short of matter replication (Star Trek or Drexler varieties), it can't do
| that.

I suppose that depends how literally you interpret my words. Anyway,
suppose that the coke machine is in my office and there's a chute from
the machine to my desk. I do a GET and it drops the can which rolls
onto my desk. That at least takes the transporter out of the picture.

| If the can is brought from somewhere else, that's a side effect,
| and GETs have to be idempotent and therefore side-effect-free.

Well, strictly they don't have to be side-effect free.

  RFC 2068 reads:
  > Naturally, it is not possible to ensure that the server does not
  > generate side-effects as a result of performing a GET request; in
  > fact, some dynamic resources consider that a feature. The important
  > distinction here is that the user did not request the side-effects,
  > so therefore cannot be held accountable for them.

I read that as certainly saying I can't be charged for the coke if I
use a GET to deliver it. But if the coke is free...

In any event, I'll concede that I am requesting the side-effect and
really shouldn't be using GET.

My point, if I have one, is that I don't see a clear and easy
distinction between URIs that identify physical things and URIs that
identify "information resources". At a distance, it's not clear to me
that you can tell which is which and that suggests that the
distinction isn't real.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

- -- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | The things we have most longed for do
http://nwalsh.com/            | not happen; or if they do, it is never
                              | at the time nor under the circumstances
                              | when they could have made us
                              | happiest.--La Bruyère
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